Project Runway should SHOWCASE women of all shapes and sizes

 Please share this if you believe that Project Runway should celebrate women of all shapes and sizes and ages.  My hope is enough people share this that it ultimately gets to Heidi Klum and the people at Lifetime Television.  Maybe if they know their fans and viewers want to see a variety of women models, they’ll make the change.  I hope you join me in this.

 

If you ever want to know where to find Foxy Lady and me on Thursday nights, it’s in front of the television watching our favorite show, Project Runway.  We have been longtime devotees; we started watching the show together during its 4th season when we were dating in Chicago.

She loves it for the fashion.  I am man enough to admit I love it too, mostly to see the creative process take shape.  So there you go, a Project Runway lovefest.

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A typical Project Runway model–super young, super tall, super thin

But there is something that has always bugged me—Project Runway still exclusively uses “model-sized” models for all its runway shows.  They’re all your stereotypical model—early 20s, 5’10”-ish and 110-ish pounds, stick-thin with super-long legs.  Of course we know that isn’t the real world.  You take 1000 women off the street and maybe 2 look like that.  The other 998?  They’re thin and short, chubby and short-waisted, tall and muscular, big-busted, big-butted, and a hundred other shapes.  Why doesn’t Project Runway let these women also be the muses for its designers?

Granted, in one or two episodes a season, they do use non-model-sized models, but those shows tend to be gimmicks.  Last season in episode 13.9 they designed clothes for kids and in the following episode (13.10) they picked models up off the street, although I must confess I don’t remember a huge diversity in the shapes and sizes of those women.  But all the other episodes use exclusively super-young,  super-tall, super-thin models.

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This is a normal-sized, middle-aged woman who was a model. How did she get the gig? She was the mom of one of the designers on one of the gimmick episodes.

The season before that in episode 12.10 the designers created outfits for Project Runway superfans (sadly, I was not included among the group), and there you saw women with a lot of different shapes and sizes.  All the other episodes: you guessed it, super-young and super-tall and super-thin.

I could go on and on.  Suffice it to say, in any given season there are about 15 episodes and one or two of them use models that deviate from the super-young, super-tall, super-thin look.

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The designers showed they could make this “real world” woman, who is a little on the heavier side, look just as fabulous as a super-young, super-thin, super-tall model.

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So here is my call to action for Lifetime and Heidi Klum.  Start using models that represent the diversity of the women in this country.

Sure, there are probably excuses that the show could use, but they’re all pretty weak:

The designers are used to working with super-young, super-tall, super-thin models:  This actually comes up a lot in those episodes where they do use normal-sized women.  The designers complain that they don’t know how to size their garment for a woman with big boobs or a big butt (Carlos from season 8 shared these sentiments to nice comic effect).  My answer—tough cookies.  Learn to make clothes for these women, after all if you want to be a successful designer, you’re going to need to.  I guarantee you that Michael Kors or Brooks Brothers (two design houses that have strong ties to Project Runway) sell more clothes that are larger than size 4 than are smaller.

It wouldn’t be fair if some designers got different sized models—the models need to be “standardized”:  I can see the logic here, but it’s something where you can either accept the excuse or not.  I choose to not accept it.  Women of any shape can be beautiful.  One of the designers’ jobs is to create the garments that bring out that beauty.  Some will need to accentuate the butt while others need to downplay it, same for the bust or the wide hips or the thick ribcage.  But isn’t that part of the challenge?

The supply of different-sized models just isn’t there:  Bullshit.  They do the shows in New York City.  If they did a casting call for models of all shapes and sizes, they would get tons (literally and figuratively) of women.

They need professional models:  Somewhat related to the above comment.  In the episodes where they have different-sized models they tend to be gimmicks (fellow designers, dog owners, designers’ mothers or sisters, superfans, women off the street, etc.) so they aren’t using professional models.  It becomes frustrating for the designers because the models start complaining about stupid stuff or start giving their opinions when it isn’t appropriate. A good example of this was in the fourth season when Christian Siriano (the eventual winner) made a prom dress for a highly opinionated and difficult high school girl (episode 4.7).    I get the frustration, and I get that you need a professional model who can keep her mouth shut, wear the clothes, strut down the runway, and highlight the garment’s best qualities.  Here’s a solution—hire professional models who are different sized.  There are thousands of them out there if you’re just willing to look.

 

As I said at the beginning, Foxy Lady and I are huge Project Runway fans.  And we aren’t alone—Project Runway averages about 2 million viewers per episode.  With great power comes great responsibility.  

Project Runway is uniquely positioned to make a real difference in the fashion industry and maybe society at large.  They can continue to nearly exclusively use super-young, super-tall, super-thin models.  That perpetuates the travesty that that is normal, leading to all sorts of problems especially for girls and young women like low self-esteem and eating disorders.

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Super young, super tall, super thin. Actually, this woman doesn’t look healthy. Doesn’t she look like she has an eating disorder? And she is who Project Runway is showcasing?!?!

Or they can pick up the gauntlet and show that women of all sizes can be models, women of all sizes can be beautiful, women of all sizes can strut their stuff.  If it stopped there, I think it would make really interesting viewing.  The designers would be faced with an additional dimension of challenge and the runway shows would be a lot more entertaining.

But the real upside is maybe that could impact the whole fashion industry.  In a single week more people tune into Project Runway than attend all the fashion shows during fashion week.  If they can show that there is an audience for different-sized models, and even more importantly a market for them (afterall, fashion is a business), maybe that will convince Ralph Lauren or Dolce & Gabbana or Vera Wang to follow suit (literally and figuratively).  I hope they do.

 

If you agree please share this and let’s see if we can get it to Heidi Klum and Lifetime Television.

Top 5—Investing blunders your instincts want you to make

 

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“You are your own worst enemy” ― Lisa KleypasLove in the Afternoon

The human brain is probably the most amazing machine/invention/feat of evolution/gift from god (put whatever superlative you want in there) in the world.  Over millions of years it evolved to allow us to outsmart saber-tooth tigers, control fire, figure out how to grow crops, organize millions of individuals, split the atom, splice genes, and on and on.  I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that the evolution of our brain isn’t the single most important factor which has brought us to where we are as a species today.

Yet, as undeniably amazing as our brain is, the instinctual behaviors that were so important in surviving those early years as a species are terrible when it comes to investing.  Here is my list of the Top 5 ways that your instincts tend to be wrong when it comes to investing.

 

5. Keeping up with the Joneses: My dad told me some sage wisdom when I was growing up: “There will always be someone richer or smarter or stronger or faster than you. What you need to do is worry about doing the best you can and forget about them.”  That’s pretty great advice in general, but especially in investing.

You’re always going to meet someone who made a killing on Apple or whose portfolio has ballooned to $5 million.  First, maybe they’re full of it; investing is like fishing, where everything is exaggerated because that makes the telling of the story more fun.  Even if they aren’t exaggerating, who cares?

Investing is a “slow and steady wins the race” type of thing.  If you save money and invest it wisely doing all the things we’ve talked about, you’ll almost certainly end up with a nestegg that will meet your retirement needs.  But it’s when people start stretching themselves and try to get big wins that things go to hell.  Using a baseball analogy, in investing you win by hitting a bunch of singles while never going for the homerun.  When you see the Joneses who got lucky when their stock popped, and you get tempted to try to find the next stock that will do that instead of sticking to your index mutual funds, that’s when you get in trouble.

 

4. Remember the last thing you heard: Psychologically we have something called recency bias, which basically means that we put the most weight on the last thing we heard. This makes sense if you think about it when we were cavemen.  If you hear everything okay and then a few minutes later you hear there’s a fire, it’s probably a good thing to believe something is burning.

The problem with investing is that we live in 24/7 news cycle so places like CNBC have to fill hours of airtime.  One day they have a story that says Tesla is the greatest auto company ever and their stock will go through the roof.  A couple days later they have a story about how sales slowed and the stock is way overvalued.  So which is it?

Probably somewhere in the middle.  Generally, companies don’t change that much from day to day.  If Telsa stock was worth $250 yesterday why would it be worth $220 today?  Sure, sometimes there are major news events that can move the needle that much like a court ruling or a natural disaster or something, but those are much rarer than you would think based on the wild swings in sentiment that come out of the financial media.  As with #5, this is a case where you need to see past the day-to-day comments and just keep that “slow and steady” approach.

 

3. Sell too soon: You take the leap and buy a stock or mutual fund. And then it goes down.  Holy crap!!!  What just happened?  I screwed up and need to get out of this before I lose any more.  So you sell too soon.  Yet just a little bit ago you thought it was a good investment, so why are you selling now?

In the light of day it’s easy to see this is a mistake and your emotions are taking control from your intellect, yet it happens all the time.  This is especially true in a media environment where we’re constantly bombarded with reasons to buy and sell.  The “slow-and-steady” investor is going to ride out those storms and hold on to the investments that were good ones yesterday, knowing that they’re probably still good ones today.

 

3a. Hold the stock too long:  The cousin to selling stocks too soon, is holding them for too long.  I am personally guilty with this with commodities.  Over the past couple years they have taken a nosedive, down about 50%.  But I refuse to sell because I am “waiting for them to come around”.

There’s a lot of reason to think that commodities are going to continue to fall—more oil discoveries, the world economy and especially China’s is slowing down.  Of course, who knows what will really happen.  But I think psychologically, I just don’t want to sell because that will be admitting that I made a bad investment choice.  Intellectually I know I should probably move on and sell my commodities, but I just can’t do it.  Pride is something you can choke on.

 

2. Try to figure it out: Our brains have a pretty good track record of figuring things out—math, physics, weather, biology. Not bad.  So it’s understandable that we have this desire to figure the stock market out, and even more powerful, a belief that we can.

Yet the stock market is a different.  It is people that make the stock market go, with all their irrational behavior (like the things we’ve discussed here).  Because of that, I believe the stock market is totally unpredictable over the short term.  But many people don’t share that opinion, and they spend inordinate amounts of time trying to figure it out.

Some of it can be more simple stuff like “the stock always does better after the earnings report”.  Or it can be hard core like all the technical analysis that uses stock charts, 200-day moving averages, open options, float and volume, and a million other factors to try to tease out what will happen in the future.

I am not a believer is that stuff.  Rather, I accept that in the short term the stock market is going to act erratically but over the long term it will have a steady upward march.  So I invest in index mutual funds with every paycheck and not try to beat the system.

 

1. Get while the getting is good: Momentum investing is so tempting. If a stock is going up, it’s easy to imagine that it will keep going up.  If everything is going to hell like has been happening the past couple days, it’s easy to imagine things will stay bad.  Similar to the ones above, this makes sense from an evolutionary perspective.  As a caveman, if the land was giving really great harvests, it made sense to stay there and enjoy the bounty.  If panthers already ate a couple villagers, maybe it’s time to go somewhere else.  There wasn’t really this idea of riding it out or waiting for things to even out.

However, in investing balancing out the ups and down (it’s called “mean reversion”) is a tried and true concept.  When a stock is going up a lot, we know that it can’t go up forever, and at some point it will probably come down to more rational levels.  Of course we never know when that’s going to be.  In the meantime, it’s easy for our “animal spirits” to take over and want to keep riding the stock up and up.  This situation isn’t helped by the media which understandably reports on the biggest movers, reinforcing the message that “XYZ has been going up and here’s why it’s so great.”

But this is a sucker’s game.  Warren Buffet is famous for saying: “Get scared when everyone is greedy, and get greedy when everyone is scared.”  Again (notice how the same advice keeps you out of all these blunders), you can save yourself from this by just investing in broad mutual funds (instead of trying to pick individual stocks) and investing regularly (like with your 401k contributions) rather than trying to time the market.

 

So there you have it—my list of blunders that our hypothalamus is constantly trying to steer us towards.  And they’re tempting.  I am certainly guilt with some of these.  Yet if you know these blunders are out there, you can take steps to avoid them.  And avoiding them, even if it leads to just a 1% better return, can make a huge difference.

As cavemen, we were playing a harsh game where the cost of even a small failure was often fatal.  Decisions needed to be quick and they needed to be bold.  And you know what, that worked for us.  Look how far we have come as a species.  But all those things that allowed us to thrive as cavemen poison our investing returns.  In investing, you really need the opposite—slow and steady moves over a long period of time.

 

What do you think?  Are there any blunders I missed?

Down 1000, up 900, down 500

Holy Crap!!!  What a wild day today was.  I come back after two months off, and my first day back doing the blog has the market going bonkers.  I was already to publish a post on the top 5 investing blunders we make by following our instincts, but that’s just going to have to wait until Thursday, because the roller coaster that was Monday’s stock market must be addressed.

 

What happened?

First, let’s just appreciate the utter insanity that was the market today.  That chart for the Dow Jones Industrial Average doesn’t look like much until you realize that each of those tick marks is 250 points.

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Sunday night most people knew Monday would be a rocky day.  The Asian markets were getting bloodied, especially China’s markets (more on that in a minute).  Maybe it would be another 200-300 point down day; that would suck but we’re starting to get used to it.  But holy cow, the Dow opened and instantly fell 1000 points.  1000 POINTS!!!  Go ahead and let that sink in for a second.  When the market reopened after the September 11 terrorist attacks, it didn’t fall that much.  1000 points.

At that point all the people at CNBC were having kittens, lamenting on how the market was ready to crater.  But then things turned around like a light switch was flipped.  In 30 minutes the Dow recovered 500 points—again just wrap your head around stocks moving 500 points in 30 minutes.  Wild.

By noon the Dow had nearly recovered all its losses, all 1000 points.  The talking heads had done an about face and started back slapping on how things were fine, and then stocks steadily slid 500 points over the next two hours.  Just a wild, wild day.

 

What does it all mean?

I think pretty much everyone agrees we go hit by a Chinese typhoon.  China’s the #2 economy in the world, they started liberalizing their stock markets which led to a huge bubble, and now their economy is slowing which is blowing up that new stock market.  On Monday the Shanghai index was down about 10% so we should feel pretty good about things, right?

Things have been dicey for a while.  Remember on Friday the Dow was down 500 points and down 1000 points last week.  So things were already on edge.  Monday the markets had a bit of a freak out.  But how serious should we take this?

Certainly, it’s serious since the markets have lost 10% in less than a week, but I think there is a silver lining that we can see just in the path of today’s craziness.  There wasn’t a ton of news that justified the 1000 drop at the opening—it just kind of happened.  Okay, I can accept it.  But then there was no news that turned things around and recovered the 1000 points.  That just kind of happened to.  And then there was no news that brought it down again.

In a perverse way, that should be comforting.  Yeah, China’s going through some tough stuff right now, but that can’t come close to justifying a 10% drop in stocks.  It just seems like a mob on the streets going crazy, rushing from one street corner to the next, not really knowing where it’s going or why.  Eventually those mobs just lose steam and disperse.  That’s what I think will happen here.

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Will it recover in a few weeks like the swoon in October of 2014?  Remember that one?  Probably not because it was just a hiccup.  But over the course of a week stocks fell 1000 points and everyone was freaking out, but then a week later all those losses were recovered and the world was okay again.  Maybe it will happen like that, or maybe it will be a longer grind like after the 2000 internet bubble.

 

What are you doing to do?

This is going to shock you, but I’m not really doing anything.  I’ll keep plugging away with my buy and hold strategy using dollar cost averaging.  In the meantime, I’m enjoying the craziness for its entertainment value.

Wait a second.  That’s not entirely true.  Foxy Lady and I are buying a house in Greensboro.  Since our Los Angeles house hasn’t sold yet, we’ve had to sell some stock for the down payment.  I look at it as a temporary thing because once the LA house is sold, we’ll reinvest the money.  The good thing now is we’ll reinvest that money at a discount.

But that horseshoe did its work.  We sold most of the stuff we needed over the past few weeks, so we avoided all this carnage.  So we have that going for us which is nice.

But seriously, I don’t think there is anything that has fundamentally changed since two weeks ago when everything was worth 10% more.  If you can stomach it, I think this will prove a great buying opportunity.

 

That’s my take on what happened yesterday.  What do you think?

Come back Thursday to see the post on investing blunders that I originally meant for today.

I’m Back . . . and retired

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Loyal Stocky Fox readers, I know I tested your patience by taking a prolonged break, but I’m back.  I’m a big believer in using excuses, and I have a few good ones for why I wasn’t able to write any posts for the past two months.  Actually, we’ve had some major life changes and are just starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I’m retired!!!

Probably the single biggest change is that I quit my real job and am now entering the ranks of the unemployed, stay-at-home foxes, mid-life crisis ranks of the country.  About a year-and-a-half ago, when we found out we were pregnant with our second cub, Foxy Lady and I really started talking about life and what we wanted.  Fortunately, because a lot of the smart investing we had been doing, much of which I have chronicled in this blog, we had a nice little nestegg that gave us some real options.  After a ton of discussion we decided that I would become a stay-at-home fox.

It took a while to sort everything out with work and to make sure we landed as softly as possible.  After taking advantage of California’s very generous paternity leave program, Medtronic and I parted ways after 16 years (I started there as a 21-year-old wide-eyed cub—crazy).  As an aside, I think Medtronic is a fantastic company and am so thankful that I spent so much of my career with them.  Financially, they are wonderful and have so many programs that allow their employees to build a secure financial situation.

And now I am done with working.  I won’t have a boss anymore . . . actually, I guess I have two bosses: Lil’ Fox and Mini Fox, but they’re pretty cool.  Obviously, when you change careers or even end your career, that has a ton of impact on your finances so you can expect a lot of posts on us going through this transition.

 

We moved

This is a big deal (but not so big a deal as me retiring since that had three exclamation points).  After Foxy Lady and I decided that I was going to bow out of the game, there wasn’t nearly as strong a tie living in Southern California, so she started looking for opportunities across the country (SoCal isn’t a very good market for her industry).

With that freedom of location, she found an amazing position in Greensboro, North Carolina, with VF Corporation (they own clothing brands like The North Face, Timberland, Vans, Jansport, Lee Jeans, Wrangler, and many more).  It was an awesome opportunity for her—a nice promotion, more money, and a move into the fashion industry which she’s totally passionate about.

If you’ve ever moved, you know that it’s a crazy time in general.  With two little kids and a 14-year-old dog, it’s just insane.  We’re about two months into the craziness and probably have another month to go before we are completely settled in our new home with all our furniture.  It’s been a wild ride and one I’ll certainly be glad to put behind me.

Just like with retiring, when you move there are a ton of decisions that you have to make that have a ton of financial implications.  Getting these right can result in tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years, so you can be assured that I’ll use the move as fodder for plenty of posts as well.

 

So there you go.  That’s what’s been happening on our side.  Thanks for sticking with me and look forward to some kickin’ posts coming down the pike.  Tomorrow I’ll post on the Top 5 financial blunders people make by following their instincts.

Back in a few

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Loyal readers,

 

As some of you may know, Foxy Lady and I are picking up the family and relocating them from California to North Carolina.  We’re super excited about the move and it’s a great opportunity for us.  However, if you’ve ever moved, you know there are a ton of things you need to do.

That’s the rub.  So I am going to take a bit of a break from writing posts to focus on the move and getting to little cubs moved 2500 miles.  I should be back in a couple weeks so check in every once in a while.

Until then, see you on the flip side.

Fun times with the Federal Reserve

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Nothing gets stock markets so excited as the Federal Reserve.  The United States’ central bank, with a couple well chosen words, can send markets up or down hundreds of points in a matter of minutes.  It’s even entered the investing vernacular as “Fed Watching”.  Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen have become household names.  But why is the Fed so important?  What is it doing that sends the markets into such frenzies?

Basically (and this is very basic, as there is a boatload of nuisance in this) the Federal Reserve, and for that matter the central banks of any country, control the core interest rate.  That single, yet enormously powerful tool, allows the fed to influence the economy in a major way.

The guiding mission of the Fed is first and foremost to maintain a healthy level of inflation.  In the US that is around 2-3%.  Being too low has some problems that reasonable people can debate, but pretty much everyone believes that when inflation gets too high, that’s when really bad things happen.  So more than anything, the Fed is tasked with keeping inflation low.  Then a secondary goal is to promote a healthy and growing economy that keeps unemployment low.  So basically the Fed has two jobs, keep inflation low and keep the economy strong.

 

How does the Fed impact the economy?

Let’s imagine a really simple economy.  There are ten companies named A and B and C all the way down to J.  Just like in real-life, not all companies are created equal, with some being much more profitable than others.  Here A is the most profitable (maybe like Apple) while J is the least profitable (maybe like JC Penney).

Interest rates will play a big part in the profitability of these firms.  As interest rates go up, the amount they spend on interest for all their debt goes up as well.  Because A is so profitable, it would only start to lose money if interest rates went really high, up over 10%; however J is much more vulnerable and will become unprofitable if interest rates go over 1%.  All the other companies have a similar situation as shown in the graph.

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So this is where the Fed comes in.  Let’s say the Fed sets the interest rate at 6%.  Firms A, B, C, D, and E are all profitable even when the interest rates are that high; but firms F, G, H, I, and J are not.  Because of that things won’t look good for firms F-J.  Maybe it’ll be so bad that they’ll go bankrupt or maybe they’ll lay off people or put a hiring freeze on.

At 6% interest, you have five firms that are doing well (A-E)—growing, hiring more people, expanding, etc.—and five that aren’t (F-J).  And at 6% the economy is performing at a certain level.  But what would happen if the Fed lowered the interest rate from 6% down to 5%?  One more firm (F) would be profitable, and in general it would benefit all the firms.  The profitable ones would be doing even better, and the unprofitable ones wouldn’t be quite so bad off.  And that would lead to a strong economy: more “stuff” would be produced and more people would be employed.

So there is very clear relationship that lower interest rates led to a stronger economy.  Having a strong economy is one of the Fed’s goals, so that begs the question, “Why doesn’t the Fed push rates all the way down to 0%?”

This is where it starts to get interesting.  It’s my favorite topic: Inflation.  Remember that the Fed’s first job is to control inflation.  Let’s look at the Fed’s decision to move interest rates from 6% to 5%, but now look at it with an eye towards inflation.

In our pretend world, let’s assume at 6% interest rates the economy is doing well.  Things are growing and unemployment is fairly low.  When interest rates go to 5%, firm F will become profitable so they’ll want to hire some people—makes sense.  But remember that unemployment is low, so F is going to need to tempt people who are already working for A or B or C or who ever to come work at F.  How does F do that?  They pay them more.

F starts to pay people more, but A doesn’t take this lying down, so A starts paying more.  This wage increase trickles through the economy.  But A and B and even F need to make money, so the increase in compensation they’re paying to their employees gets passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices.  When prices start rising, that’s INFLATION.  And controlling inflation is the Fed’s #1 goal.  So that creates the difficult balance for the Fed—they want the economy to do well but not so well that it triggers inflation.

So there you go.  You just completed a course in “Introductory Macroeconomics”.

 

What’s going on today?

Now that you have that little lesson under your belt, how does that relate to what’s going on with the Fed right now?  Currently, the Fed has interest rates at historic lows, at about 0%.  Obviously that’s super low, so shouldn’t the Fed be worried about inflation?

Remember the circumstances of how interest rates got that low.  At the beginning of 2008 the economy was going strong and the interest rate was at over 5%.  But then the financial crisis hit, blowing up the banking industry, and sending the world economy into a very sharp recession.  A ton of people lost their jobs (unemployment went up) so prices stayed flat or even started to fall a little bit.

With all this going on, the Fed threw a life raft to the economy in the form of near 0% interest rates.  In the intervening years, the economy has rebounded and unemployment has fallen, but inflation has remained pleasantly low.  This is kind of the best of both worlds for the Fed—the economy is strong and there’s no inflation.  The two things they have to balance are both in happyland, so they have kept interest rates low.

But what keeps them in the news is “the specter of inflation on the horizon.”  If you follow this stuff (like I do) in the past few months, every time inflation numbers come out, everyone looks at those and tries to predict what the Fed will do.  Earlier in the year when it looked like inflation was picking up, everyone thought and the Fed confirmed that it would probably start to raise rates.  However, in recent months, inflation has reversed and stayed low, allowing the Fed to keep rates low.  This is the drama that has been playing out for the past 6 months.

Every time this happens the market swings like a pendulum.  If rates are going to go up, the stock market gets crushed because firms will be less profitable (as we saw in the lesson above).  If that changes and we think rates are going to stay low, the market shoots up like a rocket.

 

What does it really mean when the Fed changes interest rates?

With all of this, are we just a bunch of idiots?  Should we really be so happy if the Fed is keeping rates low, and should we be so bummed if the Fed raises rates?

As the parent of two boys who one day may start sponging off Foxy Lady and me, I think the parent-child relationship is a good analogy.

Imagine you have parents (the Fed) who have a grown child (the US economy).  Times are tough for the child (the economy is doing poorly) so the parents help out (the Fed lowers interest rates).  The good scenario is that the child starts doing better to the point where he doesn’t need his parents’ help (the economy strengthens so it can withstand higher interest rates).  The bad scenario is the child becomes dependent on his parents’ help and is never able to make it on his own.

In this analogy the parents reducing the amount of help they give (the Fed raising rates) is a good thing, isn’t it?  It means that the kid is getting things on track and is standing on his two feet.  For this reason, I actually think it’s a good thing if the Fed raises interest rates because it means that the economy is strong enough that it doesn’t need insanely low interest rates any more.  Yet the markets react in the exact opposite direction.

I get it.  Just as the kid would be bummed if the parents said, “hey pal, since you’re starting to make some money now, we won’t be sending those monthly checks”, the companies are bummed that they can’t borrow money so cheaply.  But that isn’t sustainable.

I chalk this up to yet another of a million examples of how the stock market acts in a goofy manner in the short term.  And another reason why I NEVER try to time the market.  I just keep my head down and invest for the long term, regardless of what is going on with interest rates.  But watching everyone hang on Janet Yellen’s every last word does make for perverse entertainment.

 

As the current debate unfolds, what do you think?  Is the economy strong enough for the Fed to take away the credit card?

 

Picking when to take Social Security

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In the United States, Social Security is an important part of most peoples’ retirements, actually probably too important in many instances.  Social Security is a fairly simple program that was designed to be pretty idiot-proof.  You don’t really need to make many decisions for it, which contrasts sharply with all the decisions you need to make on your other investments (like tax strategies, asset allocation, picking investments, etc.).

With Social Security, you just work and the government takes its 12.4% (6.2% from you and 6.2% from your employer) of your compensation.  In fact, you don’t really have a choice in the matter and the government does it automatically.  Then when you get old, the government gives you a monthly pension.  Not real complicated on your end.

However, there is one really important decision you need to make regarding Social Security: when you start taking it.  Basically, you have three options: 1) Early retirement-when you turn 62; 2) Regular retirement-when you turn 67 for most of us; 3) Late retirement-when you turn 70.  And as you would expect, if you start taking Social Security later, you get a larger monthly check from the government.

This is obviously an important choice to make, and it’s one that gets a lot of press coverage with all sorts of people opining on what to do (I guess with this post, I am adding my opines to those ranks).  Generally speaking, the advice slants towards taking it later.  Yet, I wonder if that’s really good advice.  Using my handy-dandy computer, let’s go to the numbers to see what they tell us.

 

I checked my Social Security statement and I’ll be able to pick from one of the three choices:

Age to start taking Social Security

Monthly check

Early retirement—age 62

$1800

Full retirement—age 67

$2600

Delayed retirement—age 70

$3200

 

As you would expect, the answer to this riddle is a morbid one.  When do you expect to die?  The longer you live, the more it makes sense to delay taking Social Security so you can get the bigger check.  That’s not a tremendous insight, but when you do the math, you start to see some interesting things going on.  I fully appreciate that Social Security is very nuanced and complex, so I am just covering the simple basics here.

In my analysis to be able to compare the different scenarios, I assumed that I saved all the Social Security checks and was able to invest them at 4%, about the historic rate for a bond.  If you do that the table above expands to this:

Age to start taking Social Security

Monthly check

Highest value

Early retirement—age 62

$1800

Die before age 79

Full retirement—age 67

$2600

Die between age 80 and 84

Delayed retirement—age 70

$3200

Die after age 85

 

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That’s pretty profound actually.  The average life expectancy in the United States is 76 for men and 81 for women.  Doesn’t that mean that most of us should be taking Social Security with the early option?  That contradicts most of the advice out there on this topic.  That, ladies and gentlemen, is why Stocky is here for you.  This is where it starts to get fun, and we can apply a little game theory (awesome!!!).

 

When to start Social Security?

Actually, once you reach age 62, the life expectancy of those still alive (and able to make the decision on Social Security) is 82 for men and 85 for women.  This makes sense because you’ve survived to 62 so by definition you didn’t die before then (awesome insight, Stocky), and those early deaths pull down that initial life expectancy model.

Since women are better than men as a general rule (Foxy Lady took over typing for just a second there), let’s look at this decision as a 62 year-old-woman.  She needs to make a decision on when to take Social Security.  She knows her life expectancy at this point is 85, which means there’s about a 50% chance she makes it to 85.  So the worst choice for a 62 year-old is to take the early retirement option.  She’s probably going to live long enough that either full retirement or delayed retirement is the better option.

At 62 she does the smart thing, and decides to wait.  Her next decision comes at age 67, assuming she lives that long (there’s about a 5% chance she’ll die during those five years).  But a similar thing happens—when she was 62 her life expectancy was 85 (right on the border of picking between full retirement and delayed retirement), but now that she’s 67 her life expectancy jumps up a year to 86.  So if she makes it to 67 then she’s better off taking the delayed retirement (of course, there’s about a 4% chance she’ll die before she makes it to 70).

That’s a little bit weird though, isn’t it?  It kind of feels like you’re that horse with a carrot dangling over his head, keeping him walking forward.  It’s a bit of a conundrum.  At any given time, you’re better off delaying starting your Social Security, so the math tells you to keep waiting and waiting.  But if the dice come up snake eyes and you die, then you miss out on everything (not strictly true, but true enough for our analysis).

And keep in mind that since Foxy Lady hijacked Stocky’s computer, we’ve done this analysis for women.  The math tells you that it’s just about a wash between taking Social Security at 67 or 70.  Since women live on average 3 years longer, for men you would think it means that the advantage leans towards taking it early.

 

What does it really matter?

So the analysis tells us that we’re better off waiting if you’re a woman and it’s really close if you’re a man.  And of course the longer we wait, the further we come out ahead by taking delayed retirement instead of early or full retirement.  But how big of numbers are we talking?

Remember, the cut off for when full retirement becomes better is at about 80 years old.  The cut off for when delayed retirement becomes better is about 85 years old.

Future value of Social Security payments

Age

Early retirement (62)

Full retirement (67)

Delayed retirement (70)

85

$1,031,256

$1,119,603

$1,125,233

90

$1,450,231

$1,644,630

$1,716,663

100

$2,647,751

$3,158,200

$3,431,844

 

Those are meaningful differences.  If you make it to 100 years old, delayed retirement comes out about $800,000 higher than early retirement.  However, those are in future dollars, 38 years into the future if you’re 62 today and faced with this decision.  That $800,000 when you’re 100 would be worth about $370,000 today.  Of course that’s if you make it to 100, which isn’t really likely (about a 3% chance).

If you make it to 90 years old (you have less than a 30% chance) then the difference is about $260,000 in future dollars which is about $150,000 today.

 

Wrapping up, I’m really torn on this.  There’s a little bit of a prisoner’s dilemma type thing working that keeps making you want to push back when you start collecting.  And then when you look at the upside of delaying retirement, the numbers are pretty big (whenever you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, that’s real money), but the chances of us making it to that super-golden age are pretty small.

I suppose it’s best to wait, but I’m giving that a pretty “luke-warm” endorsement.  Actually, I think the way the Social Security administration sets it up, the options are all pretty similar.  We all have this personal belief that we’ll live longer than average (but not everyone can live longer than average, expect if you’re from Lake Wobegon, MN).  And that makes us think we’re better off waiting, but it probably is all pretty equal.

Too many eggs in your company’s basket

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A common question investors have is “How much of my investments should be in my company’s stock?”  Many of us work for publicly traded companies (Stocky works for Medtronic and Foxy Lady used to work for Pepsi).  Many of those companies include stock as a significant part of their employees’ compensation.  So what is an omnivore to do?  The short answer is: Don’t invest a lot in your employer.

 

It adds up

The general thinking among companies is that it’s good for their employees to own company stock.  It motivates them to work hard, so then the company does better, which then raises the stock, and that finally makes the employee richer.  See everyone wins.

My sense is that before 2000 compensation in the form of stock was much more prevalent.  I can speak to my experience at Medtronic:  The default for your 401k investments was Medtronic stock.  When they did the 401k match, the match was in Medtronic stock.  They also have a program where you can buy Medtronic stock at a 15% discount compared to the market price.  You had the option to take your bonus in cash or get a larger bonus in Medtronic stock options.  Long-term incentives are given in stock and options.  High performers can get awards of stock or options.

I don’t think Medtronic is all that different from most companies.  And you can imagine that adds up to the point where a very large portion of your portfolio is in your company’s stock.  The Fox family has about 15% of our portfolio in Medtronic stock and I think that’s way too high.  Anecdotally, a lot of my coworkers have 50% or even more of their portfolio in company stock.  Over the past 6 months or so I’ve been selling Medtronic stock to lower that.  Of course, we have to have a minimum amount in stocks just because some of those options and stock awards haven’t vested, but what we can sell, we have.

 

What difference can you really make?

The company wants you to do it because collectively if a lot of their employees own stock, they are probably motivated to do better.  But as an individual, what difference can you really make?  I know that sounds anathema, like when people say they don’t vote because one vote doesn’t make a difference (I do vote in every election, but the way).

Let’s think about that for a minute.  Stocky works at Medtronic, a company which has about 50,000 employees and earns $17 billion each year.  Actually, I think I do really good work, and let’s imagine that because I worked my furry little tail off, I was able to develop programs that led to an extra $2 million in sales.  That’s a lot actually (I think I might be underpaid), but compared to the bigger picture, that such a tiny drop in the bucket that it wouldn’t affect Medtronic stock in any possible way.

On the other hand, if I bust my tail and work hard, my bosses will see that and I’ll get a raise and a promotion.  That’s where the real upside for me is.  Not in the impact on the stock.  I’m sorry to say that, but it’s true.  The payoff in owning stock (compared to owning a diversified mutual fund) just isn’t there.  But the downside is very real if things don’t go well (more on this in a second).

Since Medtronic is a really huge company, maybe an individual can’t make much of a difference.  But wouldn’t an individual employee be able to have a bigger impact on the company’s stock if they were at a smaller company?  Maybe it makes sense for people in smaller companies to own more of their company stock for that reason.

The logic is sound—certainly if you work at a smaller company your individual contributions will have an outsized impact.  But the negative is that your risk goes up as well.  Larger companies tend to have greater margins for error when things go bad.  If you’re in a smaller company, the risk of bankruptcy or some other catastrophic event with the stock is so much higher.  And remember, as an investor you’re looking to lower risk not raise it.  So with all this I don’t the think argument for an individual to be a shareowner so they can drive the stock upwards holds a lot of weight, especially when you compare it to the downside.

 

What happened to loyalty?

If you own a lot of your employer’s stock, you’re violating the first rule of diversification.  The whole point of diversification is to make sure that one company or one sector or one “something” can’t hurt you too much if everything goes to hell.  Think about that with your own company.  The single most valuable “financial asset” you have is probably your career and the future earnings that go with that.

Now imagine that something goes terribly wrong with your company (a product recall, losing a lawsuit, missing the boat on a market trend, etc.).  If you’re an employee that sucks because you’ll probably get smaller bonuses and raises; at the extreme you might get let go.  If you’re a shareholder that sucks because the value of your stock will go down.  If you’re an employee and a stockholder you get the double whammy.  That is what diversification is trying to save you from.

But wait a minute.  I can hear some people say stuff about loyalty and having faith in your company and putting your money where your mouth is.  To that I say “hooey”.  If you’re working hard every day to help your company succeed, isn’t that loyalty and faith?

Remember that your portfolio is ultimately meant to support you in your life’s goals.  For most of us that probably means securing a comfortable retirement.

Just to put things in perspective, in 2013 there were a total of 7 stocks that got removed from the S&P 500 because of “insufficient market capitalization”.  That is French for “the stock went down so much the company wasn’t considered S&P 500 material any more.”  7 stocks out of 500 doesn’t seem like a lot but that’s about 1.5% of the entire index.  And remember that the S&P 500 as a whole was up 29%!!!  That was an awesome year for the entire index, yet still 7 companies couldn’t make the cut.  Imagine what would happen in an average year or even a bad year.

Let’s think about the fate of the employees at those companies for a second.  Being kicked off the S&P 500 is a bit of a slap in the face so you know things at the company aren’t good.  There’s probably a lot of things happening like stores closing, people being laid off, salaries being frozen, moratoriums of new hiring so the existing employees have to work more.  Just a bunch of bad stuff, right?  So if you’re working there life probably isn’t awesome, and the idea of polishing up your resume is probably pretty top-of-mind.

Now imagine all that is happening while a big portion of your portfolio is taking a dive (remember, these companies got booted off the S&P 500 because their stocks went too low).  Ouch.  That is definitely rubbing salt in the wound.  In the investing world managing risk, and minimizing it where you can without impacting your return, is super-duper important.  When you own a lot of stock in your company, you’re just taking on unnecessary risk.

 

So there we are.  There’s definitely some romantic notion of owning stock in the company you work for.  It seems like the right thing to do.  But you’re just taking on risk needlessly.  My advice is that you should really keep that to the absolute minimum.  In the Fox household, we sell the Medtronic stock when we can.  It’s not that we don’t think it’s a great company (it is) or we don’t have faith in its future prospects (we do).  It’s just we don’t want to bear the risk that something really bad could go down, leading to me possibly losing my job just as your portfolio is doing a belly flop.

How much of your portfolio is of your company stock?

Top 5: Reasons we are in the golden age of investing

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You hear all the time that this is a terrible time to be an investor.  Maybe it’s after the fallout of some scandal, Enron and Worldcom from the early 2000s or Bernie Madoff from 2008 come to mind.  Or maybe it’s that the market is evolving and people caught on the wrong side of that start to complain.  Last year Michael Lewis published Flash Boys which looked at high frequency trading.  One of the takeaways was that Wall Street giants were rigging the game to their advantage at the cost of smaller investors.

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I’m not an expert on high frequency trading or the million other death knells that people always point to when showing that the market is all screwed up.  The eternal optimist, I actually think this is a great time to be an investor.  Here are my top 5 reasons why we are in the golden age of investing.

 

5. Decimal stock prices: Today if you look up the price for a stock you get something normal looking like $40.63. However, before 2001, stock prices were quoted in fractions, so that same stock wouldn’t be $40.63, it would be 40⅝.  First off, that was a royal pain the butt.  Quick, which would cost more $20.30 or 20⅜? (20⅜ is more).  We all remember fractions from elementary school, but they aren’t really intuitive in financial applications.

Secondly, it cost you real money.  All stocks have a bid/ask spread which is the difference between what someone will sell something for and what they will buy it for.  That difference is the profit that market makers get.  As an investor you pay that spread, so the larger the spread the worse for you and the better for them.  When stocks were in fractions, just the nature of fractions made the spread fairly large.  So you might have an bid of 20⅜ and an ask of 20½.  That’s a spread of 12.5 cents for every share you trade.  That may not seem like a lot, but over hundreds or thousands of shares that starts to add up.

When stocks became decimalized, that 20⅜ became $20.38 and that 20½ became $20.50.  But then competition among market makers squeezed the spread to something like $20.41 and $20.42.  It’s not uncommon to see spreads of only a penny (see a recent quote I pulled up for Medtronic).  That is real savings that goes into your pocket.  In 2001 the SEC mandated all stocks be quoted in decimals and that was a real win-win: investing became computationally easier and less expensive.

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4. Internet trading: You could have a whole post on how the internet has revolutionized personal finance (hmmmm, maybe I’ll do that). But here I’ll focus on internet trading and generally managing your investments online.  When I started investing in the mid-1990s the main way you invested was by calling your broker and having her execute the trades you wanted.

Think about that for a second.  You had to call someone, hope they answered, tell them what you wanted to do, and then have them do it.  That just seems really inefficient.  Later, some mutual fund companies got to the point where you could trade using your touch-tone phone (“press 1 to buy shares, press 2 to sell shares”), but even that was pretty kludgy.

Of course, once the internet came out, investing proved to be one of the ready-made applications for cyberspace.  You could actually see your investments on a screen, in real time, push buttons to do what you wanted.  Even set up things like automatic investments or withdraws.  No question, it’s so much easier now than it was.

 

3. Low costs: With the internet and the incredible efficiency it brought, the costs of investing plummeted. Brokerage fees on some of my first trades were in the $50-75 range.  That was with a full-service broker.  Also there were ways that they nickel-and-dimed you with things like “odd lot hikeys” which was an extra charge if you bought less than 100 shares.  Such a bunch of crap.

That was about the same time that “discount brokers” were becoming popular and started offering internet trades for $14.95.  Once that genie got out of the bottle, there was no end to how low trades could go, and it made sense.  All the stuff became automated, so the costs dwindled to almost nothing.  Now you can find $4.95 trades and places like Vanguard offer $2 trades if you know where to look.

Think about that for a second.  If you did 10 trades a year, in the old days (dang, that makes me sound old) that would have cost you $1500 per year (remember you get charged for buying and selling).  Over an investing career, that $1500 each year could add up to almost a quarter of a million dollars!!!  Maybe Michael Lewis will complain that investors are getting swindled out of a penny or two a share because of high-frequency traders, but that’s a drop in the bucket to what they’re saving by tiny, tiny trading costs.

 

2. Computing power: As reader Andrew H said in a comment, technology has advanced so rapidly that your iPhone has much, much more computing power than the Apollo 11 spacecraft. Computing technology has become amazing powerful and amazingly cheap in the past couple decades.  A $300 laptop with Excel can allow you to do amazingly large and complex analyses that would have seemed magical just 30 years ago.

One of the huge applications for this analytic power is personal finance and better understanding the stock market.  Many of my posts on this blog are just that—taking data and using Excel to make sense of stuff.  Are you better of investing a windfall at once or over time?  How often would you have lost money in the stock market historically?  Those are fairly large analyses that would have been a massive undertaking 30 years ago, probably only possible at a major investing house or a university.  Today, they’re done by a nerd with a cheap computer and too much time on his hands.

That computing power has been an amazing equalizer on the financial playing field.  Now individual investors can figure things out for themselves instead of having to listen to brokers like they were priests from some secretive cult.  That’s an enormous improvement.

 

1. Access to information: This is a biggie. The amount of information available to us now with the internet is mind-boggling.  When I was a kid your source of information on stocks and investing was the evening news (“stocks were up 52 points today”) and the newspaper where you could look up the price of a stock from the previous day.  That was it???  That was it!!!

Today you have real-time price quotes, you have real-time news, you have real-time analysis.  You also have troves of data, and nearly all of it is free.  All the analyses I have done is with free data on historic stock prices and inflation.  That’s nice if you’re a dork like me, but how does this help normal people?

In investing, information is power, and we live in a time where that power is freely given to all.  Let’s say you wanted to invest in Ford in 1990.  How would you go about researching your investment decision?  Maybe call Ford’s investor relations to have them mail you some annual reports, possibly go to the library to find some articles on the company, probably stored on microfiche.  That’s crazy.  Today you can find all that information plus about 1000 times more in less than 5 minutes on your computer.  It truly is a completely different ballgame, and one that is very much to our advantage compared to what it had been.

 

Bonus reason—financial understanding:  I couldn’t stop at five reasons, so I am including a sixth (the “Top 6” just doesn’t have the same ring).  There has been tremendous research into financial markets and how they behave over the last couple decades.  While markets are still very unpredictable by their nature, we understand them much better.  Ideas like price-to-earnings ratio, index mutual funds, efficient markets, and a thousand others help us better understand how and why the stock market does what it does and that allows us to be better investors.

In a similar vein, the central bankers who guide our economy, and by extension the stock market, have learned a lot too.  One of the theories on why the Great Depression was as bad as it was is because President Hoover and his advisors did all the wrong things.  It’s not that they were vindictive and wanted to drive the country into a calamitous financial train wreck, but they just didn’t know what to do.

I absolutely believe the reason we haven’t had another Great Depression, including the Great Recession where we emerged largely unscathed, is because our central bankers are a lot smarter.  Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, and Janet Yellen all studied the Great Depression and other financial disasters and learned what those people did wrong and how similar fates can be avoided in the future.  That understanding has saved us a lot of pain.

 

So there you have it.  Sure, investing isn’t always a smooth path, and as Michael Lewis points out, there are always bad apples that are trying to screw things up.  But with all that, don’t lose sight of the fact that investing today is soooooooo much better than it has ever been before.

What do you think?  Are my glasses too rose-colored?  Are there other awesome developments that deserved a place in the top 5?

Mint versus Quicken

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“You can’t hit what you can’t see”  –Walter Johnson, major league pitcher from 1910s

As you take more control of your personal finances, there will come a time when you need to start tracking it somehow.  Maybe you’ll be hyper-obsessive like I am and look at it multiple times a day (which objectively is stupid since the numbers don’t change that fast, but I do it anyway).  Or maybe you’ll want to see what things look like every week or every month to make sure you are on track.  Either way, you’ll need some way to track your finances.

There are two major options: a program you purchase and install on your computer like Quicken, or an internet website that consolidates your online accounts like Mint.  For the longest time I was a Quicken devotee (and before that I used Microsoft Money), and then I recently switched to Mint.  This post is going to be looking at the pros and cons of each, Dr Jack-style, to help you pick the one that will work best for you.

 

TRACKING SPENDING:  Both do this fairly well.  You can download your bank and credit card activity, and both do a somewhat decent job classifying the expenses into the different categories.  I think this is a bit of “the price of admission” that you should absolutely expect.

There is one feature that I really liked about Quicken that I don’t get with Mint—the ability to split expenses.  When I go to Costco and spend $300, I can only use a single category in Mint, so I use “groceries”.  However, in real life, that $300 was split into $150 for groceries, $30 for pet food, $70 for Foxy Lady’s contacts, and $50 for some pool toys for Lil’ and Mini.  In Quicken I can split that $300 expense into those different categories which is really nice when you want to compare your spending to your budget.

[EDITOR’S NOTE:  After posting this, a reader named Ashleigh mentioned that you could indeed split transactions in Mint.  It took some tinkering around but I figured out how to do it.  She was indeed correct.  That said, I must say that it’s not the most user-friendly or intuitive process.  But hey, it’s free so I can’t complain, even though I just did.]

Advantage: Slight edge to Quicken

 

PROJECTING FUTURE SPENDING:  This is a really nice feature in Quicken that you don’t have in Mint.  When you look at the cash flow of your checking account, it’s nice to look into the future to make sure that your balance doesn’t fall below a certain level.  So you might get a paycheck or two, but then you’ll have your mortgage, a credit card payment, and a couple bills, all of which are hitting on different dates.  That’s a lot of moving parts.

If you’re like me and you try to keep your checking account’s balance fairly low, freeing up the extra money to invest where you can get a higher return, then you need to be a little more precise.  This is probably the single biggest feature that I miss by switching from Quicken to Mint.

Advantage:  Quicken

 

ACCURACY:  With Mint the website downloads your transactions and then does its thing.  Most of the time this works well but sometimes it doesn’t work and the results look goofy.  Look at the picture from Mint for one of my investments.  Notice how it thinks that I invested $321.69 and that has increased $26,747.  While I would like to think that I am that brilliant of an investor, I can assure you I’m not.  For some reason the download had a bug in it.  With Quicken, you can actually go into the file and manually change things to take care of stuff like that.

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Advantage: Quicken

 

NON-BANK STUFF:  A lot of people have financial “stuff” going on that isn’t with your bank or brokerage account.  Sometimes it might be off-the-book loans like maybe your parents helped with the down payment on your house.  With us, I have stock options that aren’t in an account compatible with Mint, so I don’t have visibility to them.  With Mint, if you can’t download them they don’t exist.  Obviously that creates a bit of a problem if you want to take these into account.

With Quicken if you have stuff like that you can manually create accounts and transactions.  It’s not ideal and certainly not as easy as downloading them, but sometimes something is better than nothing.

Advantage: Quicken

 

ANALYSIS:  Quicken has a lot more robust offering of analyses that you can use, including a host of reports that you can customize to show whatever you want.  I used these to track how my spending was doing to my budget as well as a report that showed how my investments were doing.  Mint has some useful reports, but it isn’t anything near as robust as what Quicken has.

However, Quicken does have a bit of overkill.  There are all kinds of reports that it offered that I didn’t use, or even worse used and thought gave bad advice.  Quicken had a retirement projection tool that I played around with.  It said that at 65 I would have something like $5 million, but that I would run out of money by 90.  Ludicrous.  I didn’t use that tool after that.

Advantage: Quicken

 

CONNECTIVITY:  This is one of the areas where Mint really shines.  Its whole platform is based on smooth, seamless connectivity with all your accounts.  Everything is designed to make this easy—from initially linking your accounts to Mint, to updating them.  I love Mama and Papa Lynx (my in-laws) to death, but sometimes they aren’t the most technologically savvy.  They got everything up and running in Mint without any problems, so you know it’s pretty user-friendly.

This is the main reason that I don’t use Quicken anymore.  I kept having problems where my accounts wouldn’t update.  Sometimes it was my accounts would change (like when my Vanguard account got large enough to go to their Admiral shares), other times it would be a cookie or some other technical thing on my browser that I don’t really understand.  No matter, it would be a royal pain in the butt.  I’d have one of three options, none of which were good: I could spend time with their technical support, I could manually enter the transactions, or I could just not update (what I ended up doing).  We live in a technical age, so to have this not work really well is a problem.

Advantage:  Big advantage to Mint

 

TECHNICAL SUPPORT:  As you would expect with a free site on the internet, Mint doesn’t offer you a lot of help if things go wrong or you screw something up.  If you click on the “get help” link it sends you to a page that recommends you try to find the answer to your problem in their community.  So basically you’re hoping that you can find someone who had the same problem you did and wrote about it.  That’s kind of an “f-you”, isn’t it?  I’ve struggled a couple times and found my answers by googling for it, and it worked but it took a bit of effort.

Quicken on the other hand has a bonafide help center.  You can chat with a real person who will try to help you.  This is what I used when I had connectivity issues.  By and large, they’re pretty good and can solve most problems with a minimum of hassle (although it’s probably a minimum 30-minute time commitment).  Maybe I’m stuck in the past, but I do like it when I can talk (either over the phone or via chat) to a live person.

Advantage:  Quicken

 

INTEGRATION TO OTHER PRODUCTS:  Quicken allows you to upload your files to programs like Turbo Tax and also to spreadsheets if you really want to do some hardcore analysis.  But this is another feature that I think sounds really great, but when you really think about it, it might not be all that valuable.

Take the tax thing for instance.  I supposed you could download all your stock sales from Quicken into your tax program to calculate your capital gains, but who really does that?  Doesn’t everyone just take the form that Vanguard or Fidelity or whoever sends you and plug all those numbers into your taxes?  In all the years I used Quicken I never once used these features.

Advantage:  Irrelevant edge to Quicken

 

COST:  Mint is free, and that is awfully hard to beat.  Quicken on the other will set you back between $50 and $100.  Plus Quicken uses planned obsolescence where their product stops working after a while (it stops connecting to the internet to update your accounts), so you have to buy a new version every couple years.  Certainly a few hundred dollars over a decade isn’t going to change the world, but I’d rather have it in my pocket than in Intuit’s.

Advantage: Big advantage to Mint

 

So there you have it.  Looking at it, Quicken has more advantages than Mint, and that makes sense.  Quicken is a better, more powerful product, no question.  However, Mint has probably the two biggest advantages—its connectivity and it’s free.

I appreciate that I am a power user when it comes to these things, and even I find a lot of Quickens extra features overkill, and I just don’t end up using them.  That makes me give the verdict that Mint is probably the better choice for most of you out there.  But don’t shed a tear for Quicken and their parent company, Intuit.  It turns out that Intuit owns Mint as well.  So there’s a lesson in cannibalization.

What is your opinion on Mint or Quicken or any other system you use to track your finances?